If the variety of my versions are a bit confusing to you, here is an overview for starters.
My builds always require a specific original viewer from Teh Labratory installed. The following list outlines which viewer matches which and the individual release posts contain download links to the older versions from Teh Lab as well as download links for mine plus instructions.
- Eye Candy: 1.19.1.4 (good if your computer can handle atmospheric bliss, although in that case you'll probably want a more modern viewer like CoolViewer, see links at the right side of this blog).
- Bleeding Edge: 1.18.5.3 (good if your machine can't handle the fancy sky rendering or has problems with 1.19., it still gives you voice and the search all tab, this is my recommended version for older hardware)
- Old School: 1.18.0.6 (before voice and chatterbox, rock solid workhorse, good for very performance challenged machines and luddites :-)).
If you want to see other non-Nicholaz builds, here is a link to a complete list.
Hope that helps :-)
Nick
30 comments:
Thank you for the overview :)
And thank you for the Old School viewer of which I now understand has all the bugs fixed + keeping as much as possible the 'shiny feutures' out. I work more full time in SL. Long days, 7 says per week. I need a workhorse nor a bling bling viewer :) This old school is the best for me. I know it gets boring but: Thank you Nicholaz, you are my hero :)
Sylvia: Well, not *all* the bugs, but as many as possible. And not boring, comments like that never get boring :-)
Nicholaz...do you have any plans to incorporate the sl<->opensim "teleport" feature from RealXtend in your viewer ? It's really more of an automatic logoff/logon but it's still useful. It's the only way I can get non-technical friends to come in my rexserver to visit. They really really hate that command line. I have a script in a prim on my parcel and they just click it (using the rexviewer) and enter the account I gave them, then they come right in.
Does the OS version let you log in? I get this big red message saying I need to upgrade the viewer. I thought could simply ignore it, but my login is hanging on "Processing Response..."
ok NM about my last post. The first time I ran it, it locked my PC up. After rebooting and trying again it logged in just fine. but it would be nice if you could remove the stupid "update required" message that obviously IS NOT required. lol
Old School runs slower on my little EEE PC 900 than the normal version does. I was hoping for the opposite.
Following up on a comment a while back...
The long-time-logoff (BE-v; I've been making a point to relog more often when I'm doing a lot of tp's) seems to happen most when the system is running out of free RAM.
Haven't saved logs as a result, since it seems to be more limitation of the box rather than the client.
Because another mentions it too, let me mention that my viewers always log off very slow too. And after it has stopped, I get requests from Linden that at that point are catched by my firewall. So I have the feeling the logg-off just does not really happen but that at some point the viewer just stops anyway. To me it no problem as a hardly ever crash and when I loog off it is to get a few hours sleep :))
Here's an interesting quirk I thought I'd mention...
With a build platform set up in the new Havok4 ranges (got one at 900m right now) if I log off and go away for a while, I log back in...and I'm floating in the middle of the hair somewhere UNDER the 768m mark, usually in the 600 range.
I don't know if this is client-side or server-side, but thought I'd pass it along anyway. :)
This is with BE-w, btw.
I'm having a problem... every time I try to download off of the server here, I get a corrupted file. There's always a bad CRC in the Nicholaz.exe file. I've tried different archiver programs and a couple different methods of downloading and the result is always the same.
Does anyone else have this problem and are there any mirrors around?
alex/sylvia: The slow logoff could be a memory leak (it's a pretty typical symptom for those), although with the BE versions I'm not aware of any.
The only leaks I have heard of occasionally are with Nvidia some 8xxx cards, but that would be hard to track down (here on my Nvidia 7600 none of the versions grows in memory)
anoymous: there may be situations where 1.19 runs better on low end pcs (due to the avatar imposters), but make sure that the default graphical settings are similar in OldSchool ... as far as I can tell, LL has reduced the graphical defaults quite a bit in later versions.
alex: The freefall login (logging in capped to 768m) is a server side problem.
juste: my server seems to have download problems with some providers. Either ask a friend on a different provider to download it for you or send me an email (nicholaz at blueflash cc) and I'll send it via yousendit.
Nicholaz,
The XP box that particularly suffers the slow logoff problem has only 1GB of ram. :) The vista box has 3GB, so it's a much less noticeable (and BE-w runs quite nicely on it).
I'd been running the task manager widget in the taskbar, and noticed that whenever I have the problem, it tells me that I'm nearly out of spare RAM. So... it may not be memory leak as much as simply needing more RAM (I don't know how much you have in yours - I got this thing pre-SL), and since I'm going to upgrade that thing in the next few months anyway, I'm not terribly worried for myself.
And thanks for the notation on the freefall login. I'll pass that tidbit around to the folks I know building at H4 height levels. :)
Alexandra: I just remembered something else. When you don't use the very latest versions (lower than EC-f, or BE-w) the delay when exiting after a long session could also be cache-files housekeeping.
@ anonymous: I agree with you about that "update required" red notice on the screen. Good girl that I am, when I saw it, I logged out, because I didn't want to be forced to upgrade my Linden viewer. After reading your comment, I realized that if I just ignore it, and log in any way, it lets me in just fine with the older version. Wish that red warning could go away though, it is confusing!
Princess Ivory
SLURLs no no longer work for me. This is the case in Old School, Bleeding Edge, and Eye Candy. I have done as suggested in the SL forum, and reinstalled the software. Each version has its own folder, with the appropriate SL candidate release in it, as well as the Nichlaz candidate and related files. Each shortcut point to the correct version.
Anyone have any ideas how I broke it, or how to fix it? It's a real pain to be reading a blog, click on a link, have the slurl map open, but have the "visit" and "teleport" buttons do nothing (what is the difference between the two of them, anyway? Does anyone know?)
So please, HELP! How do I fix this?
Princess Ivory
Hi Nick,
My first post so I would like to start by saying thanks so much for your viwers, like many others you keep me sane in this ever changing bug filled world :)
and now the issue, ever since the last server upodate I get a message from EC-f to say my vidio drivers are outof date or unssuported. BE-w runs fine so i reinstalled the 1.19.1.4 which is fine and then the EC-f and stil get the error. I am happy to stick with BE series except that i am working on a project that needs media on a prim support. any suggestions?
*hugs*
Very
princess: That screen and message is coming from the Lindens (the viewer loads the start screen image from them and they seem to base it on the version number), so there's not much I can do about that (except setting up my own login screen in which you would lose the stats).
regarding the slurs: The slurs are in the Windows registry (not for the seqeamish): Start-Menu, Run, enter "Regedit", click ok.
Go to HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, secondlife, shell, open, command.
On the right you can double click the "(Default)" entry and put a path to Nicholaz.exe there (like "c:\program files\secondlife_1.18.0.6\nicholaz.exe")
very: This is most likely a graphics card older than the Linden's minimum requirement for Windlight. Unfortunately I can't do much about that because I don't have any good knowledge about the whole rendering part.
Princess: I just tried it with my old-school, so here is what I entered into that field:
"C:\Program Files\SecondLife_1_18_0_6\nicholaz.exe" -url "%1"
Ok, I'm trying to understand this before I screw up my Windows registry!
You said to use:
"C:\Program Files\SecondLife_1_18_0_6\nicholaz.exe" -url "%1"
Why %1? If that is for Old School, what would I use for Bleeding Edge and Eye Candy?
Thanks for spending time trying to help!
Princess Ivory (who is trying to decide what brand of beer to buy Nicholaz this time)
Yeah! That worked for Old School. I now have SLURLs again. It was pointing to the wrong (nonexistant) Second Life folder in the Windows registry.
But what about the other versions? Do I just change the location folder in the appropriate part, and add that line? Can I have more than one line in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, secondlife, shell, open, command?
Princess Ivory
Princess: Ahh, not Princess Ivory (Tower) but Princess Hands On :-)
This works with all viewers, you just have to insert the respective folder name.
However, there can only be one such entry, i.e. you will have to decide upfront which viewer to start when a SLURL is clicked.
Oh, say it isn't so! I use BE and Eye Candy both a lot. And I'm in Old School right now, because it really is my favorite - it is the most stable.
This means that if I am already in SL (which is usually the case), and I'm reading blogs that give me SLURLs, I will have to hope I'm in the version of SL that will recognize them? If not, I have to relog? Ugh. Can I change the registry line while I'm already logged in, to change the viewer it recognizes, and then click the SLURL, therefore not having to log out of one viewer, and back into another?
Tell me what I want to hear, and you get a whole case of beer instead of just one mug for this one!
Princess (who gets her hands dirty mucking about in the registry)
Princess: I guess I can tell you halfway what you want to hear.
The viewers are different so the setting pointing to one can't kick up the TP in another (I might be able to do some magic about that, but it would require to change all three viewers and I'm not sure if it works at all).
However, you can change the registry setting just before you click. Even more: you can right-click the "secondlife" in the left part of the registry editor and Export, select Desktop, enter "SLURL Version XX" and Save. This will give you a canned copy of this registry entry on the desktop. When you double click that icon (the "SLURL Version XX") it will be put back into the registry. So you can export/save the versions for each viewer and then can just double click their respective icons before clicking the SLURL.
Nicholaz, you are an absolute genius! If I were in the room with you right now I'd give you a big kiss, one on each cheek. And then I'd take your hands and we would dance around in a happy circle dance!
You have given me EXACTLY what I needed, and made my life possible again. Thank you so much. Check your PayPal account; that keg of beer is on its way!!
Princess Ivory
Hi Nick,
[quote]very: This is most likely a graphics card older than the Linden's minimum requirement for Windlight. Unfortunately I can't do much about that because I don't have any good knowledge about the whole rendering part.[/quote]
The problem is that it was working. I even used it up to beeing booted from the grid as I was making megaprims to replace parts of my build. But it has not worked since, dispite a reinstall, and the client version it patches works fine. At first I thought it was looking at the megaprim code and blocking the browser, hence my reverting to BE series. But although I do have an older card it works fine in every client so far including RC8 of the current dissaster series :)
anyway, if I can't get EC rounning, do you have any plans to support HTML Media in the BE series?
Very: Did you delete the settings files (especially settings_nichola_EC.xml) from the Application Data\SecondLife folder?
Maybe you enabled shaders or something which your card can't handle? Or after running and exiting Linden 1.19.1.4 copy user_data\settings.xml to settings_nicholaz_ec.xml).
Regarding the media feature, I don't plan to backport that.
Since the latest server update I have the most annoying new featur. Whenever I hand in the air and want to move again, it takes a full second at least before my avatar starts moving again. this counts for vertical and horizotal directions. this wait until responding to the keybord, only happens when I came to a still in the air. It feels like Linden has added a sort of "parking" in the air. Now am I the only one who has this very very anoying controle delay?
Thanks for all the work again, Nicholaz and all.
But whatever browser I use, it crashes my system after a short or loing while. So I am gonna give it up - 12 system crashes in two days is way too much.
Maybe somebody reads this and helps me analysing why all SL browsers crash my system (older iMac 14").
Yea.. I am having crashing issues as well and it doesn't matter if I use Linden's or Eye Candy. I was really hoping to learn how to use SL as there is a conference I want to attend in July and it's available through SL.
Thanks if anyone has any information about crashing I am all ears. It seems to happen when I am around people and immediately after it loads which could be hard when the conference comes in July.
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