The updates for the Nicholaz viewers with the security fix should appear on the server over the next few hours/days (EyeCandy is already there). If someone does platform builds (Linux, Mac ... *waves at Barney and Balp*) post your links in the comments.
For download instructions etc. see the previous install/release notes. You'll find them jumping from the version overview to the respective flavors. I don't expect any problems, but it's been a while since I built a viewer, so I will leave the previous versions on the server (you can roll back by simply installing the previous version if something isn't working).
Update: Latif made me aware of another security patch. I am uploading EyeCandy with version h this moment and will include it also in the upcoming OldSchool and Bleeding edge viewers. Please make sure to read the Install.txt file regarding the message_template.msg file.
The version numbers with the fixes are EC-h (uploaded), BE-y (uploaded) and OS-q (uploaded).
Enjoy your other reality ...
Nick
Saturday, October 11, 2008
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Hi Nicholaz, did you incorporate http://svn.secondlife.com/trac/linden/changeset/1202 ? That's the main patch for the secuirty vurneability that was discovered, resulting the implementation of UDP blacklisting.
You'd need to distribute the patched app_settings/message_template.msg too for this to work.
Without that patch I'm afraid the Nicholaz viewer is still wide open to this particular issue.
Sorry, I'm mostly out of the client building game - Hyang Zhao now makes Mac client builds, based on Henry's Coolviewer, so I actually can lean back and slack with regards to clients - and concentrate on my main thing, building weird stuff :)
Hyangs clients can be found here: http://hyangreflections.blogspot.com/
Thankyou very much for the two very solid viewers, BE and OS which I use daily :)
Your vieuwer still lists the Ati x1300 graphics card as supported. LL doesn't seem to recommend it. I can't log in for longer than 1 minute before my whole machine freezes. :/ All since the day this security fix was introduced.
I'm keeping my hopes up while taking a vacation from SL.
Keep up the good work,
^_^
Excellent! Thank you Nicholaz :)
Builds with both change sets for all the version BE, EC and OS are out form my site. Overview here, http://anders.arnholm.se/sl Ihave not yet confirmed that me and Nicholaz backported the security fixes the same way. But they are clean and trivial, I'm pretty sure it's the same.
/ Balp
Thanks Balp!
(I have used the original Linden patch for the paths and Henry's patch for the message_template).
Nick
Thank you for the new version of the Nicholaz Viewer. It is really appreciated, since my computer does not run the new official one that well. You are doing a good job.
Gonna try to build EC and BE for mac. Dont have much time now, will try to make it at weekend, hopefully.
:)
I'm not sure if anyone else has gotten this, but it doesn't do it to me in any other viewer but the Nicholaz one. It is the only problem I have. When I stretch a prim, it will let me stretch it more than the 10m limit, then shrinks back. Thought you'd like to know, and I hope this helps!
Ya know? I don't see a file anywhere entitled Nicolaz_exe. So I don't know what I am doing wrong but I desperately need to get into Second Life. I see .zip archives and the new 1.21 version of the Linden SL won't run on this p.o.s. I am so confused.
I'm still on the pre-security patched Nicholaz-EC viewer. i'd like to have Mono support, but it's probably never going to happen. I've looked into the Cool viewer, but as it mentions implementation of 'RestrictedLife' i'm seriously not interested anymore - it sounds far worse than this security update.
I prefer the clean Nicholaz viewer, it allows me to log in and interact with SL, where the official viewers fail.
It will do, at least until it stops working.
@Anonymous
Restrainedlife is disabled by default in the Cool SL Viewer.
I use CoolViewer as my main viewer now. However as it looks like I start using BE as baseline for my Asus testing now, much higher frame rate on the old nvida card and hopefully the same on Asus EEE.
The BE-x version might have trouble sending or is it receiving region files. I have fixed that in my Linux build just out.
If that goes well, I might think about backporting some fixes from never viewers and then maybe adding some more functionality.
I would love to see the nvidia issues presented here http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7957
to be solved. Its a major issue for nearly 4 months and wasnt solved yet. Also my Geforce 9800GT isnt performing well with SL. Old 8600GT-s were performing better.
After some bug hunting headache and completely misleading error messages I'm happy to announce that we finally have a Mono capable, non-Windlight viewer for Windows :). 1.19.0.5 in release 35 (!) is up for grabs. Thats the absolutely fastest viewer you can get these days. Enjoy!
http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/current-releases
Cool viewer: implementation of 'RestrictedLife' ???
You must be kidding. Please people, check what this stands for before you even think about installing the cool viewer ever again.
I just hope Nicholaz can find more time in the future again to spend time on good SL alternatives as the "Cool viewer" has just moved to "never in my life"
Just my two pennies.
I would run CoolViewer without second thought if I wouldn't have my own builds.
Henry does amazing work .... implementing/backporting the old interface and existing patches with newer viewer versions is insanely tedious. Otherwise I would not recommend their viewers as alternatives here.
RestrainedLife may be a feature you folks might not need or like, but it doesn't make Henry's viewer less trustworthy.
ok, folks, it there ;)
http://hyangreflections.blogspot.com/2008/10/nicholaz-editions-first-build-finally.html
Agree, rlv is just a feature, use or not is a user choice.
Personally, i'm not use it, but who i am to judge others?
I'm getting really tired about all the rumours some are spreading about the Cool SL Viewer...
Once and for all, the RestrainedLife feature is DISABLED by default in the viewer, which means you will NOT be restricted in any way and will not notice any difference with a "normal" viewers in this respect.
STOP spreading rumours and READ the explanations on my website instead ! >:-(
Not sure if this is related to Nicholaz viewers or not but I have noticed that when using them I cannot change my profile picks.
If I delete a Pick, hit ok, then open my profile up again the Pick is back. It will also delete a new pick in order to restore the old deleted pick .
Oh! I have noticed that "Pick" problem as well! I just keep forgetting about it
The pick problem is an old bug related to having View Admin Options on. Turn that off, and you can delete your picks.
Thanks for the new build, Nicholaz. I run it on Windows Vista and keep getting a stupid warning every time I run it because of no digital signature. Next time please sign it :)
Just whant to say a big thank you ,for this stable Working horse .I use it as my work viewer most stable i can log in .Hope you willing to hold it on topic and release time too time a update .
Will keep stucking in your viewer
Your viewers seem to be locked out at the moment, even with the security fix. :(
If you can't connect with an older viewer, please add the following to your commandline / shortcut:
-channel Idontwanttoupdate
This should fix it.
Nicholaz. Can you work your same fabulous magic with the OnRez Viewer 1-18-5-3-1 OnRez Setup.exe?
This was the last V18 version to be issued before the Electric Sheep Company forced an update to OnRez V19, which, with re-written core code to match Linden Labs versions, is now as messed up as the current SL Viewers are.
OnRez Viewer 1-18-5-3-1 was a viewer for the masses, allowing those with less powerful computers to truly use and enjoy Second Life.
It easily used 50% to 75% LESS resources than any current SL Viewer. It virtually NEVER-EVER crashed. Textures loaded on login almost instantaneously, and under normal conditions you NEVER experienced ANY lag whatsoever.
Granted it does not support Windlight or Glow or builds to 4,096 meters, but these are simple sacrifices to make for people who are being driven off the playing field by the resource hungry SL Viewers.
I need to add this additional comment, since it so dramatically illustrates what I am saying.
I was so impressed with OnRez 1-18-5-3-1 and its tremendously efficient use of resources, that I ran a real in-world test of its limits. Though I do not recommend this practice, I was able to rez, in-world, 6 alt av accounts, have all 6 successfully running in separate windows, all present at the same site, same place, with virtually NO APPARENT lag whatsoever. The OnRez V18 Viewer choked up only when I attempted to login a SEVENTH alt account av.
Now, with EITHER the V20 versions of the SL Viewer or the V19 versions of the OnRez Viewer, I have difficulty running just ONE account. When someone running MS XP SP3, with 2 Gigs of RAM, and 512 MBs of graphics card onboard RAM has difficulty running just ONE account, something is terribly wrong with the entire enterprise.
You could call your OnRez Viewer 1-18-5-3-1 Patch the Nicholaz Eye Candy Lite Viewer. It would be a dramatic contribution to the Second Life community, and to all those who do not have, and cannot afford, the power-user computers needed to operate in Second Life.
I am so grateful to you for your Eye Candy version. I use it now exclusively. Such a relief to no longer crash with any frequency worth mentioning. Thank you again.
Please give serious consideration to my suggestion. Naively, I think working your same magic on the OnRez 1-18-5-3-1 version should not prove to be too difficult.
Could you perhaps just offer a simple patch which would permit users to use the OnRez 1-18-5-3-1 version, bypassing the mandatory upgrade to the OnRez V19 versions?
@Jean-Severine
Onrez doesn't provide either sourcecode or patches used for their viewer. They are supposed to have the source code obtained from LL under commercial terms, which do not fall under the opensource license. Please correct me if I am wrong.
However I don't really understand what you are looking for with that outdated viewer . Please use the latest Nicholaz builds or Cool Viewer in version 1.19.0.5. That's a rock stable and fast viewer in the last version before Windlight became official with 1.19.1.
1.18.5 on the other hand was an instable testbed for Windlight experiments and I would not recommend to use it at all. If you have an older machine, please use 1.19.0.5 which still is actively maintained and which should offer the same if not better performance and better security than the old Onrez viewer.
Boy --
Thank you for your counsel. Will follow it. And thanks for all you have done, and are doing to make our journey here a pleasant and gracious one. Tc.
I mostly second what Boy Lane said (especially in regard to OnRez), except that of course (*cough*) my 1.18.5 viewer (Bleeding Edge) is as rock solid as it can be and for performance challenged machines, the 1.18.0.6 (Old School) should also do well.
Nick
@Nick
Was not meant as criticism ;). I use your 1.18.0.6 on an 3 years old HP laptop with lousy Intel 915 graphics, and it works great :)
Boy -
no worries, I just wanted to advertise that stuff a bit :-)
Markus
Chuckling. Enjoying the friendly banter between you two. You're both wonderful for offering this stuff to the community. It's just sad to have to say that 3rd parties are more in touch with community than Linden Labs are. Tc to you both. And again, thank you.
Hi Nicholaz, i cant download the latest version 122.11.3941 ( crashed etc)so i look for the "old viewer" ( i deleate already mine) do you know 'where' i can download it ? I love to be back online !
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